Questions I never thought I’d ask…

What exactly does a “smart toilet” do better than a dumb one?

In California I knew a guy in the movie biz who had networked his whole house. First time I ever saw a connected toaster, first time I ever saw a house with its own server room. He was so proud. And when the network crashed – which it did within weeks, due (I’m told) to some sort of virus – the poor guy couldn’t make coffee.

It struck me as a very strange thing to do, but then he was kind of a strange guy.

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8 Responses to Questions I never thought I’d ask…

  1. MamaLiberty says:

    Trust a computer to make my toast or coffee? Not happening. 🙂

  2. Jim says:

    I’ve flirted with a treatment of this kind of thing. One of the costs of allegedly advanced tech needs to be measured in reduction of human abilities. You could call — and maybe measure — such costs Units of Self Sufficiency. Take away enough of them and you’re left with a a community of button-pushing, screen-scraping dorks in Google glasses who can’t boil coffee; might not even understand the concept.

  3. Claire says:

    Though I’m not exactly sure what a smart toilet does, I know one thing it doesn’t do. It doesn’t function when the power’s off. I have rich friends who installed “smart” toilets in their home. Couple of years later, their area was hit by a gigantic storm. Everybody had problems — downed trees, missing roof tiles, etc. But my privileged friends were the only ones who couldn’t use their toilets for the next week.

    What’s even more ironic is that they were semi-preppers. They had a big cistern of water, a pantry full of food, and no toilets.

    “Smart” homes? Uh uh. Dumb idea.

  4. Dick says:

    Joel, the thing is you asked the right question, “why”. To often they do this without asking themselves why. What are the ramifications. Are there ethical issues involved…..,
    One of the cons you already mentioned, Jim mentioned the other which is allowing tech to become a surrogate brain for you.
    However being an uber computer geek I can come upwith a few “whys”. Unfortunately these have ethical implications.
    For instance a smart toilet can collect data. what data depends on the interfaces involved. It can be simply bowl movement frequency, time on toilet, or even chem panel urinalysis. This data can be stored along with the data of an activity monitor bracelet/watch info. Add a smart weight scale and smart fridge and you have a complete health profile instantly at your finger tips. Add a simple AI algorithm to mine and monitor the data and you can be notified of dangerous outlier/out of bound conditions automatically.
    Now you know that if this was offered by a biz or gov it would be in the “cloud” and not on your network.
    So ask yourself, “Is this info something I trust laying around?”

  5. greg says:

    All great reply’s gals and guys. I wouldn’t have any of that crap here either. I buy my appliances from the used appliance store just to avoid crap like that and to get a better quality product. My neighbor had one of those smart washing machines, and his wife told him to go buy a old used one, as the smart one was so “stupid” it didn’t clean the clothes.

    I do have a computer server in the closet though, just because I can, and know how to run the system. I have security cameras around the property and they are all fed into the server.

  6. Goober says:

    Several of you mentioned that tech is replacing smarts and skills in the user’s available panoply. Of course it is. It has been since time immemorial, or at least since we started getting tech.

    Once it was discovered that flint rocks could start a fire, how many men could use a bow-drill? Once the mechanical thresher was invented, men started forgetting how to properly thresh wheat. Streets have all but negated the need to learn navigation skills. Google has destroyed the Dewey decimal system. Once the automobile came about, the knowledge on caring for and housing horses became relegated to hobbyists. Even good mechanics these days have never filed a set of points, and have no idea where to even start. Flip a switch, start a fire – how many men could start a fire outside, even with matches and lighters? Municipal tap systems give us clean water; how many of you know, off the top of your head, how to sterilize water to make it safe to drink? How many drops of iodine per quart, and wait time before drinking? Caps of bleach per gallon? Minutes to boil at XX feet above sea level? Tech leads us all into not knowing these things, and we damn sure better.

    The problem that I have is the erosion of necessary capability. You can live without knowing how to take care of a horse, even if cars went away. You cannot live without knowing how to make a fire if you’re ever stuck outside in the cold. You can live without knowing how to thresh wheat, but knowing how to cook something well enough that it’s safe to eat? You need that.

    But I don’t blame tech. I like tech. Anything that makes my life easier, I embrace (although I’m still not sure why the hell you’d want a smart toilet – I don’t even want to consider the ramifications of a hacked smart toilet, much less one with a virus), but there is a point where a responsible human will at least try to learn the necessary skills that will be needed if we return to a tech-null condition some day in the future. I’m not even talking apocalypse, here – think Hurricane Katrina… Another one to consider – you’ve got contacts over the internet, but how many people do you know in meatspace that you could team up with to pool resources and knowledge if the internet goes henshit and you’re in a SHTF situation?

    Where are you going to get your water when the tap stops running? Your food when the shelves are empty? You can lament the loss of skills due to tech all you want, but also be aware of the skills YOU’VE lost due to tech, too. We all have. Every one of us.

  7. Goober says:

    Dick – even if it is on “your network” there are simple exploits to gain access to it unless you are a tech security whiz kid. Not sure why someone would want this information, but I am pretty naiive and innocent about shady, back-alley stuff in general.

  8. Douglas2 says:

    I thought everyone learned how to start a fire in Scouts, using bow, flint, wire-wool and torch battery, eyeglasses and sunshine, pot-perm pool oxiginator mixed with antifreeze, and arc from a camera-flash capacitor. I know I’ve done field-repair of electronics using a heated ten-penny nail as a soldering iron.
    It does rather bug me that my coffee-maker requires the time to be set before it will brew coffee. I can deal with lots of adversity, but not before my morning coffee.

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