What’s with all this “opioid” crap all of a sudden?

50 years of drug warring, and now we’ve got a nationwide opioid crisis? Really? How many times can you go to this well before we can all agree you people are not really trying anymore? And did you focus group that new ‘opioid’ coinage before you announced it was a crisis? Because it makes you sound like a dork.

Sheesh, this time there’ll be no doctor in the country that dares to prescribe pain meds. Maybe it’s a way to drive Obamacare costs down or something.

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15 Responses to What’s with all this “opioid” crap all of a sudden?

  1. MamaLiberty says:

    Of course you can kill yourself with “opioids,” as you can with guns, knives, or a razor blade. Truly “accidental” deaths with these are not all that common, and are totally separate from negligent or plain out stupid use of anything remotely dangerous.

    The thing a lot of well meaning people don’t seem to be aware of is the fact that use of opioids is seldom lethal – or even “addictive”- on its own. Most people who die of narcotic “overdose” do so because they stupidly and stubbornly consume this stuff along with alcohol (the most common) and/or other drugs that affect the central nervous system and respiration. And they continue to do this even when the serious negative outcome has been KNOWN for a very long time.

    So, as we all know, none of this opioid prohibition/hysteria is about safe use of pain medication. It’s about control. Of everyone and everything. A lot like “gun control” of course.

  2. Ben says:

    First, let me point out that at least some south American countries seem to get along fine with all medicines being sold “over the counter”. I don’t read about that causing those countries any particular problems.

    It could be that folks who are prone to misuse drugs tend to get them one way or another, so making them harder to get doesn’t really keep those types from somehow obtaining what they want.
    The principle is simple: Try making food illegal, and I’m willing to bet that most of us will figure out a way to eat, and government be damned! It’s really the same with druggies.

    That said, the area where I live was once lousy with “pain clinics”. These were mainly storefront operations that advertised heavily in certain alternative newspapers. The advertisements always hinted that all you had to do was walk in, be issued a prescription, and then the drugs you specified would be immediately vended to you “on the premises”. Folks came from all over the country to drive from one pain clinic to the other exchanging money for drugs. Obviously what was going on here had nothing to do with medical care, but it was dressed up under that guise. Anyhow, for better or worse, after some new state laws those “clinics” have largely disappeared. Also gone are some of those free alternative newspapers, which apparently couldn’t survive without the “pain clinic” ad revenue.

  3. MamaLiberty says:

    So, Ben, what’s the difference between taking drugs for “medicine” or for recreation, or just because people want to, regardless of the personal consequences? How is it anyone else’s business? The “pain clinics” were simply a response to the prohibitionists and do-gooders trying to limit the choices of others. And yes, it would be the same with food or pretty much anything people really want.

    “Laws” against such things don’t stop foolish or harmful behavior, and they usually create more of the same no matter what people try to do with them.

  4. Anonymous says:

    Weird coincidence that the streets of the U.S. get flooded with cheap heroin shortly after taking over the world’s leading opium growing nation, isn’t it?

  5. it is about control of the people. those who want control don’t care about drug addicts. that is an excuse to control the rest of us.
    i was on percoset a couple of weeks ago in rehab clinic post op. a gift to the idiotic talking heads is that Prince died in the very midst of this ‘opioid’ bull shit. what a load of malarkey. drug addicts get what they want.
    people in agony under a doctor’s care get to suffer ungodly pain because the doc will be jumped on by the feds if he eases their pain.
    it is about control.

  6. blindshooter says:

    ^^^^^
    Ding ding!
    Winner

  7. Jake says:

    “people in agony under a doctor’s care get to suffer ungodly pain because the doc will be jumped on by the feds if he eases their pain.”

    Yup. I remember the last time the feds got a bug up their asses about this, and hauling people to the hospital with obvious broken bones who would scream in agony at every bump in the road and every start, stop, and turn, because the feds had all the ER docs afraid to let us give any pain medication. At best, we’d get permission to give a dose so small that it was about as effective as a car air freshener in a sewage plant. One of the local ER docs even got arrested for “over” prescribing narcotics. Fun times. Not.

  8. Sendarius says:

    Based on personal experience, I would say that there are at least two types of people in this world: those that LIKE the non-clinical effects of opioids, and those that don’t.

    I was dosed with morphine (or some related chemical) while being treated for a kidney stone. While the pain relief was like a blessing from God, the detachment from reality, the head-rush, and the hallucinations were a curse. I HATED those effects.

    Apparently others take the drug for the secondary effects – I don’t understand them.

  9. Ben says:

    While most any of us might possibly fall into a bad habit if the conditions are right, I believe some of us are born wired for substance abuse, and some aren’t. As far as I can tell, I am not. It’s no virtue, just a lucky accident of birth.

  10. MamaLiberty says:

    Sendarius, as a hospice nurse, I supervised the administration of a lot of narcotic pain medications. Most people, especially those in serious pain, do not experience any sort of euphoria or hallucinations. I took morphine, and then oxycontin for several years to deal with serious pain after a bad accident, and I never had those reactions. The side effects most commonly experienced, however, are nausea, vomiting and terrible constipation. I have never figured out why anyone would want to do that to themselves without a darn good reason.

    And the whole “addiction” thing is overblown. In 14 years, I never had a patient become dependent, and I experienced none myself. After taking the narcotic medication for several years – when the pain went away… I stopped taking the pills within two days after tapering off sharply. I had no desire to take any more of it, and never have again… even when in pain.

  11. Sendarius says:

    MamaLiberty: If most people do not experience euphoria (or some other effect that they define as pleasant) from opioids, what do you think explains why people take them recreationally?

    At least in my ER case, the medical staff only asked if the pain was reduced. There were no questions about any other effects (nor much personal interaction at all, to be honest).

  12. MamaLiberty says:

    Sendarius, do you experience any form of euphoria when you eat chocolate, take the first taste of your favorite food, or anything else? Yes, there are chemicals in a great many things that give us that feeling to a greater or lesser extent. And no two people experience the same thing either. And much of that is due to what we expect to feel! Some drugs do create a physical dependence in the body, and may cause serious withdrawal for some, but interestingly enough not for most people who take it moderately for actual physical pain. And that difference can depend a lot on the form of narcotic taken too. Heroin is much more likely to cause problems than pure morphine.

    The actual initial response of the body to narcotics is primarily respiratory depression, somnolence, and depression. That’s a large part of the reason so many people take other drugs with it trying to make themselves feel better, and not understandint what the morphine actually does.

    In my experience, most people take narcotics because they are in pain of one kind or another. When people take it without a “prescription” it is called self medication. Unfortunately, they don’t usually know the optimal dose, and they don’t know how to deal with either the intended effects or the side effects, which can be very different. If the person is also taking other drugs, including alcohol, the effects can be severe and unmanageable. Or even lethal.

    I’ve never seen anyone who took morphine because it made them actually feel good, at peace, enjoying life. Most are happy just to have their pain reduced, whether physical or other kinds. I’d say most of the people we understand to be “addicts” have a great many other problems besides drug use, and probably have no understanding or ability to cope with them. The drugs are easier to get than any help, of course, and since using the drug is “illegal,” they won’t usually be given any help even if they wind up in jail and can’t get the drug! What a hopeless and cruel situation.

    As for your ER experience, I’m sorry that happened. It is an indication of the deterioration of medical care, especially since Medicare and now Obummercare. Sad to say, you can’t count on any health “professional” to even understand what you need or to ask intelligent questions. And the only remedy for that is to learn as much as you can so you will know what to tell them…

  13. Sendarius says:

    Thank you for that information.

    As to euphoria when eating chocolate – don’t you go dissin’ on chocolate! 🙂

    Obamacare was not to blame – even partially – for poor ER care here in Australia. We have our own set of useless politicians, interfering nanny staters, and corrupt hospital administrators to blame for that. Don’t ever get to thinking that “single-payer” health care like we have here is a cure to anything.

  14. MamaLiberty says:

    Oh, no disrespect for chocolate! LOL I love the stuff. Which is why I used it as an example. As for single payer “health care,” I am well aware of the dangers there. Just a different saddle on horse. I spent 30 years as a professional, advanced practice nurse before I retired in 2005. I saw every kind of insanity coming in and taking over, with patients and employees getting the short – and ever shorter end of the stick. The practice of medicine was never perfect, and I don’t think it ever will be, but turning it over to rapacious politicians and their minions has destroyed much of what it even could be.

    The thin silver lining to that is the fact that many people are turning away from the chemical saturated medical model and seeking to learn how to take care of themselves, learning about nutrition and better ways to manage their own bodies. And this, of course, is as it should be.

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