Adventures in missing the point…

Alternate title: All I Did was Suggest Improvements.

I don’t need this shit right now – I just got the loveliest email in response to the post below. I get the impression this is a person who pitched something in the past and didn’t like the reply or lack of same but I really don’t know. He/she alludes to something specific but without enough information for me to figure out specifically what. Sorry, you’ll have to click for embiggenment but perhaps someone can lead me to enlightenment…

This person seems to have been offended by a particular post he/she didn’t appreciate, presumably one in which I mocked a spam email. Unfortunately the word “Spam” appears so frequently on TUAK in a completely unrelated context that all I can do is wish I’d gotten around to using tags so I have no way of tracking down what this person is going on about. If anybody knows, please feel free to loan me a clue.

But it’s nice to know he/she cares, I guess.

Allow me to state the official TUAK policy on Things Joel Says. Maybe I should put it in a blurb on the sidebar:

I’m not here to offend anybody and within reason I try not to. But this is my blog, not yours, and only I get to dictate its contents. If you are offended you’re welcome to say so – maybe I’ll even take a lesson but I doubt it – and you’re not required to come here or read the contents. Thank you.

Specific to this incident, here’s an addendum:

I am not required to sell shit for other people and in fact have a policy of not doing so.

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42 Responses to Adventures in missing the point…

  1. paulb says:

    Dunno but looks like some got some tees and a silk screen machine and went nuts. But someone might like the shirts. New slogans would be nice

    Right now you can make half the world want to kill you by just saying NO loud enough

  2. I can’t begin to tell you how many emails I get from people wanting to give me ‘free guest blog posts’ for my blog that will cost me NOTHING….I just have to leave their affiliate links in the post unmolested. They’re an annoying bunch and I enjoy stringing them along sometimes.

    Hey, you’ve got rage, they’ve got an email address….I say go beat on them for a while. Takes a load of stress off.

  3. Claire says:

    Yeah wow. Well, you may never know what this person wanted you to sell. But aren’t you glad you didn’t establish a relationship with him/her/or it?

    “I really want to work with you — you worthless moron with your worthless, completely useless and uninformative blog!”

  4. R says:

    I used to relish Popehat’s posts about mocking spammers while stringing them along by inviting them to join his pony based economy.

  5. Don says:

    I’m the one who wrote that email, and here’s why:

    Joel has a post on this website where he discusses a project of his. In the comment section there are tons of comments from people who are looking for how-to information concerning that type of project. Many comments are asking for this information. Joel himself made a few comments, so I know he sees all of those comments from people clamoring for this info.

    I sent Joel a nice, cordial email explaining that I’ve been doing that type of work for nearly 40 years and that I sell a series of books about how to do that type of project. My email was very simple and succinct. I explained to Joel that based on the number of daily sales I get from my on websites, and based on the number of people he claimed visit that page every day, the book would most likely sell at least 10 copies a day, and that’s on the low side of my estimation. That means that Joel could make at least $130 or so a day based on those sales, just by pointing people to my website. You know, all those people practically begging for the info that’s in my books.

    I explained that I would send him a copy of the book, he could look over it, if he didn’t want to have anything to do with it, that’s fine, I wouldn’t contact him again.

    What does Joel do? Send me a little nasty, smartass reply. So, all of you people here talking trash have it ass-backwards. Joel is the asshole, not me. If Joel can’t communicate with people properly and wants to act like a jerkoff, then he shouldn’t be surprised when he receives the same treatment.

    He whines and complains because people reach out to him with offers that would most likely allow him to make some really good money from his website traffic, but instead of taking advantage of these opportunities he spouts off about “SPAM” and would rather be a beggar and ask for handouts with his donate button.

    Joel, I’m so sorry I sent you an email about my books. I bet it was shear horror and an absolutely terrible experience, what, with all the effort you had to muster to click a button.

    Have a wonderful day,

    Don

  6. Claire says:

    So, all of you people here talking trash have it ass-backwards. Joel is the asshole, not me.

    Well, Joel, by his own oft-repeated admission, is a hermit who lacks social skills. I don’t know whether he treated you snidely or not; I do know he’s capable of offending (with or without intending to). His friends love him regardless.

    But reading your Patreon message, it’s clear that — whatever the unknown situation between the two of you — being an asshole isn’t the exclusive province of Joel.

  7. Rober says:

    Don
    The only difference between you and a doorstep salesman is that they’d be walking instead of parking their fat ass in front of a computer. The biggest thing that you have in common with them is that no one wants your junk, your bullshit and you were not invited to sell anything. So don’t let the digital door hit you in your ass on the way out.

  8. John says:

    Maybe mistaken, but “Don” seems to have marketing talents no better than mine.

  9. Geeze Don, get a life.

  10. Don says:

    Joel, it seems you have fittingly chosen some solid butt buddies—a bunch of jackass internet trash talking morons!

    “Rober”, my books generate around $2.5M in sales every year. That’s million, in case your little brain is confused. Half of that money goes to my affiliates, 35% of the remainder goes to my publisher, and the rest goes to me. Get your caretaker to run the numbers for you.

    Have a nice day, jackasses!

    Sincerely,

    Don

  11. Anonymous says:

    Okay, I’m not gonna lie. That was weird.

  12. Anonymous says:

    It’s a shame money can’t buy class.

  13. Tennessee Budd says:

    Anon @ 4:36 PM: Nor spelling skills, apparently. …”shear horror”, indeed. Ditto knowledge of the correct usage of punctuation. It makes one wonder about both the quality and utility of Don’s books.
    Uncle Joel, I’ve yet to see you beg for anything. Enough of us like you to want to help, ’cause that’s what folk do. Lots admire your courage in walking away from everything. Some maybe because they lack the guts to do the same & get vicarious pleasure; some maybe because they’ve also done it & know how tough it is. I think most of us do it because, even if we’ve never met you in meatspace, we ‘know’ you, & think you’re cranky/funny/endearing/some other weird thing, & want to see your life go a bit easier. Even with the things people send that you don’t even expect, & the magnanimity of which sometimes floors you, it still isn’t easy.
    All th above is way too windy. The TL:DR version is, damn Don & all who sail in him, which I believe you said in the post.
    We love you, & fuck those who don’t.

  14. The Neon Madman says:

    Your blog, your rules. It’s that simple.

  15. Don says:

    LOL, the idiot who typed this utter clusterfuck of a comment has the gall to talk shit about MY typing skills:

    “Anon @ 4:36 PM: Nor spelling skills, apparently. …”shear horror”, indeed. Ditto knowledge of the correct usage of punctuation. It makes one wonder about both the quality and utility of Don’s books.
    Uncle Joel, I’ve yet to see you beg for anything. Enough of us like you to want to help, ’cause that’s what folk do. Lots admire your courage in walking away from everything. Some maybe because they lack the guts to do the same & get vicarious pleasure; some maybe because they’ve also done it & know how tough it is. I think most of us do it because, even if we’ve never met you in meatspace, we ‘know’ you, & think you’re cranky/funny/endearing/some other weird thing, & want to see your life go a bit easier. Even with the things people send that you don’t even expect, & the magnanimity of which sometimes floors you, it still isn’t easy.
    All th above is way too windy. The TL:DR version is, damn Don & all who sail in him, which I believe you said in the post.
    We love you, & fuck those who don’t.”

    Fucking dumbass can’t even spell “the”!

  16. Claire says:

    Don, as coloradohermit suggested: get a life.

    Every word you type reveals you as an ever-nastier piece of work. And the funny thing is you seem to imagine you’re somehow scoring points by revealing yourself to be spiteful, vulgar, ego-bloated, unable to let a petty dispute go, and generally exactly the kind of bad-news human being sensible people stay away from.

    Wow, Joel was lucky he didn’t buy your ludicrous claims and get himself entangled in a financial relationship with the likes of you.

  17. Don says:

    Claire, if you are a follower of Joel’s posts and a regular reader and poster of comments on a website documenting the everyday life of a rude asshole, I think it’s safe to say that YOU and your likeminded ilk are the ones who need to “get a life”. And what “ludicrous” claims of mine, exactly, are you referring to?

    At this point I’m just having fun writing disparaging comments about other idiots who support a rude jerkoff who asks for handouts on his oh-so-precious “blog”.

    As I clearly stated, if Joel doesn’t want to be treated like a piece of trash, maybe he should have more respect for others instead of talking to others like a whiny moron. You should obviously consider that worthwhile advice as well.

  18. bravokilo says:

    Sorry, Don, you’re way out of line here.
    Challenge: get someone you respect to read this page of comments and your replies.

  19. Tsgt Joe says:

    Don, even if you were in the right in the beginning, you are off the reservation now. Unless you really are some asshole troll just looking for a fight, be a gentleman and just step away. There is nothing for you to win here.

  20. Don says:

    Let me make this situation as clear as I can, since it’s obvious that all of you eager supporters of Joel the Asshole are apparently too stupid to understand:

    Joel wants MONEY. He wants that MONEY, MONEY, MONEY. If he DIDN’T, he wouldn’t be blatantly displaying a link to Patreon, as well as a PayPal donation button, on every page of his fucking website. If he didn’t desire money, then he wouldn’t feature these at the very top of every page of this website.

    Yet, when someone like me, someone who has a legitimate product that helps thousands of people a year, offers to partner with him so that he can make good money and not have to resort to begging for money like a loser, he acts like a rude jackass and cries that I am “spamming his email”.

    And then you idiots take up for his dumbass behavior by claiming I’m in the wrong. You take up for him when I call his dumbass out on his blatant hypocrisy of blatantly asking for money on his website while he talks trash about people like me “spamming” him. You idiots make ZERO sense.

  21. Yep says:

    And now the censorship by Joel the “lover of freedom” begins… fucking pansy

  22. Anonymous says:

    Let’s see: self described hermit, or stalker who gets cranky if he doesn’t get his way…hmmm
    Btw, I read Joel’s blog everyday and really enjoy it, but probably wouldn’t target his 100 views a day if I was really making 150k/yr. Don — breathe, also I tried clicking on your name to look at your website with no luck, so work on your presentation skills.

  23. Don says:

    Shit, why not, let’s keep going! And here we have another moron:

    “but probably wouldn’t target his 100 views a day if I was really making 150k/yr”

    First of all, study up on your math.

    Secondly, if Joel makes around $130 a day, that means I make an extra $36,000 a year. You see, moron, that’s the way it works selling products on the internet. I contact people who create content that is inline with my products, they become an affiliate, and we both make thousands of dollars a year.

    It’s very simple, unless, evidently, you’re either the owner, or a frequent visitor, of this website…

  24. Anonymous says:

    Yeah, more like you are supposedly making $780k, which actually cements the point. Why would you bother with this blog? A: you’re an insane sociopath with no life or direction, B: you’re an alien (to be clear, from outer space), C: you are secretly in love with Joel and are frustrated that you cannot get his attention, D: your meds ran out, I could go on, but I have a really really good book I’m reading.

    Goodnight Joel! Wishing you and your neighbors a peaceful desert night.

  25. Anonymous says:

    Me too Joel. I bet the stars are stunning!

  26. Don says:

    Again the moron speaks!!!

    “Why would you bother with this blog?”

    As I fucking clearly stated before, just minutes ago: “…if Joel makes around $130 a day, that means I make an extra $36,000 a year. You see, moron, that’s the way it works selling products on the internet. I contact people who create content that is inline with my products, they become an affiliate, and we both make thousands of dollars a year.

    It’s very simple, unless, evidently, you’re either the owner, or a frequent visitor, of this website…”

    Joel, if you are reading this comment thread there’s NO WAY you can’t be at least SLIGHTLY embarrassed by your idiotic “supporters”…

  27. John says:

    Hi Don, I think if you really want to insult Joel and his readers you at least need a lot more flair and color in your insults directed our way. Really, you’re doing this like a dullard.

    It also looks to me like -your- math is batty.
    Your books make you some 800k/yr (0.65 x half of 2.5M) and if Joel will accept your offer, you pocket 36k and he can make over 47k/yr (130/day x 365)? I might be wrong, but I think you are fruitcake.

  28. Henry says:

    As John points out Don, who’s books generate $2.5m a year lol, is an Internet fruitcake. The usual BS and Troll found on a million Internet pages. Poor soul must need the attention.

  29. Rober says:

    Don, this is the Internet. You could claim to sell a billion dollars in books and it still wouldn’t make it real. In fact one would question why such a “bestselling author” would need Joel’s blog to tout for business at all. But then you’re fake so who cares!

  30. coloradohermit says:

    Like Henry says “Poor soul must need the attention.”. I do believe that Don’s jealous of all the friends and support that Joel has. Clearly, if he had any friends, he’d be spending his time enjoying them, not spending his time trolling.

    Someone earlier said that money can’t buy class. Well it can’t buy friends or respect either, assuming there even is any such money.

  31. Spud says:

    Reminds of that other “Don the con” who likes throwing out insults. All the while proclaiming how the whole world loves him.

    Keep on being you Joel…

  32. Bill says:

    And this is why I don’t get in pissing contests on the internet. Unless you can duke it out in person, and come to some resolution, what’s the point??…Joel, once again my sympathy to you on the loss of your Little Bro.

  33. Malatrope says:

    Well, I will say one thing’s for certain: the internet sure reveals where all the assholes are. Don, you are as important as a pimple on Satan’s clitoris. Take your performance art elsewhere, pissant.

  34. winston smith says:

    So Don’s sales are 2.5M/yr but he needs this blog to post a link to his site? AND he has the time to verbally come here and spar with much sharper minds than his. O…K………

    On the internet, everyone is 6’4″/235, master gunfighter and fluent in MMA. And a multimillionaire.
    Or they are a pathetic Loser. Wonder which one this little turd is.

    I wondered why this blog post had so many comments. But now i see- its always fun to harass a self righteous tard.

  35. Anonymous says:

    “But now i see- its always fun to harass a self righteous tard.”
    Yes. Giving the kind of drivel belly laughs.

  36. Bear says:

    Don’s just another troll with a bad case of cyberticulitis.

    If he were actually such a successful writer, convinced that just seeing a link to his product will generate thousands of sales, that he’d at least use his full name so we could search it and find that wonderful product.

  37. Mark says:

    WOW

    Don is really a blue twatwaffle!

    Stomping on somebody else’s yard, throwing crap around and being a general cunt.

    Joel, you could share his email if you like…

    Not that any of your readers would sign him up for a ton of spam or anything .

  38. Joel says:

    If I’ve done it right – always an open question, since WordPress has whole long corridors I never bothered to explore – Don should be gone from our midst. My first banning! Huzzah. It only took twelve years.

    Sorry, I wasn’t expecting that. Another time I might have found it amusing. As it is I apologize for accidentally bringing such an unpleasant disruption here.

  39. Kentucky says:

    Watching someone make a complete fool of themselves is always amusing. 🙂

  40. Tennessee Budd says:

    I must concede one of Don’s points: I did indeed misspell ‘the’. The keys on this old computer sometimes don’t work well, and I was negligent in not proofreading before posting.
    Still, piss on Don.

  41. TS says:

    I’ve not checked in for a bit because I thought you’d not be posting. I’m very sorry to hear of all your troubles Joel. My condolences for the loss of Laddie. I will keep you in my prayers.

  42. Wyowanderer says:

    Ah, name calling. The last stand of the intellectually bereft.
    At least you’ve riled him up.

To the stake with the heretic!